Talk:Window Experiments

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This is a totally new issue to me, and I must say, I'm impressed. If something like that is possible the unification of desktop look and feel could be greatly improved. I personally like this idea very much! And, if you'd like to know, I like the design with the menu bar on a seperate line more. This way the window doesn't look too compressed. Though I really like the idea of gaining space within the window.

Great ideas

Some very interesting ideas there. I'm liking the larger icon... why have we settled for 16x16px etc for so long?

I prefer the second one because of space efficiency reason. The first is look better in term of design (more seperation between application name and document title) but we can save 1 line of horizontal space in the size of menubar which is very expensive in low resolution if we choose the second. Markpeak 15:32, 13 March 2006 (PST)

I like the idea very much, it would make the association document window <-> document <-> document icon much clearer. I prefer the more compact layout, the other one wastes too much screen space in my opinion.
Maybe the document icon and the "File"/"Game"/... menu could somehow be combined, because they basically represent the same thing. However I'm not exactly sure how to do that and at the same time retain both the draggability of the icon and the menu character of the menu item... (Also when dragging the icon, the document title should probably be dragged with the icon)
As for implementation, I guess the window decorations would have to be done by the toolkit instead of the window manager... MarMor 17:02, 22 May 2006 (CET)

I believe that it is a mistake to not distinguish between the titlebar and the rest of the window and allow the window to be moved from anywhere. What this ultimately leads to is the window accidentally getting moved when you click right off of a control accidentally and then the window moves. Then the control has moved as well, so its not a matter of correcting your mistake moving back to the original position, but rather a new position. Having a control for moving the window (the titlebar) solves this problem successfully with absolutely no disadvantage (the target area for grabbing a window is still rather large so its easier to grab at). I can't count the number of times I see someone attempting to click a control and miss, the window gets moved accidentally, and they start to think the application is playing a game and working against them.
Also, I think that right aligning the application name would look better when the document title and name are on the same line. aent 16:56, 22 May 2006 (EST)

I'm very excited to see new ideas in this area, and I like most of them. The resize gripper in every window is definitely a plus. It gives consistency, even enables themes without window borders. Especially great for resizable dialog/message boxes, say you get an error about some file miles deep in a folder hierarchy--just resize the box to see the full path.
The bottom pane usage is not elaborated here, but would be cool to see more novel ideas like spatial nautilus' path dropdown.
I very much like the merged menubar/window title idea with the enlarged window icon. I also prefer the more compact layout. I agree with aent about separating window content with the titlebar, however with a combined menu-titlebar arrangement finally the useless empty space next to the menu bar could be used for dragging the window around.
MarMor's idea about combining the window icon and the File menu sounds interesting. Nevertheless this menu should somehow match the right click menu in the file manager--after all, I guess this is what we are trying to unify here. The window manager menu which currently appears when clicking on such an icon should then be restricted to the right-click popup menu of the title bar.
My final remark is about the 3 window buttons top-right. With the extra space, these could be enlarged, of ever rearranged, making the close button bigger, and the maximise and minimise buttons on top of each other. I tried to create some mockups, but my artistic talent is lacking :) GergelyNagy 16:01, 24 May 2006 (CEST)